Ep.11 Urban Veggie Gardening - Renee Rose (Big Green Project)

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You're on the plants grow here podcast. I'm Daniel Fuller. Come along with me as we enter a hidden world of deep horticultural, ecological and landscape gardening knowledge with featured experts, industry professionals, and enthusiasts. It's not always easy farming veggies in an urban setting, but it certainly is nice to have fresh local food available in the community as opposed to having it shipped from far away. Today's guest is Rene rose, who specializes in some interesting urban gardening and is one of my friends on twitter at the underscore greenlife. Good ironite Welcome to the show.
Great Day. Daniel, thank you so much for having me. super happy to be here. Yeah,
I'm excited to it's gonna be a great episode. Tell me a little bit about the big green project. What does it the monstera leaf logo represent to you? And what do you guys do?
Absolutely. So, um, the big green project, it began as just that it was a personal initiative for me to invigorate green thumbs in my community, which is Wilmington, Delaware here in the States. You know, I'm from a underserved, sort of urban neighborhood where there isn't much access to fresh produce, or much interest in growing your own produce, you know, a lot of people have to go outwards 15 to 20 miles outside of the community for their next, you know, closest farmers market or things like that. So what's the big green project, I really just want to advocate for severe increase of access to fresh, locally grown food, but it's also my way of uplifting the relationships between us in the environment, as well as us and our food. And getting as many people gardening is possible. So I'm always available for tips or just some advice as far as caretaking, caretaking to fellow gardeners, as well as any help with projects or hands on projects in my community to help with. And I've also been doing monthly offerings with getting food out and meals and essential items to less fortunate in the homeless population here in Wilmington.
So you've started the big green project. So how did it start?
I did start a so I started actually locked down the time of lockdown with COVID was kind of the catalyst for the big green project. And it got started in June of this year. So june of 2020, I was not working, I was gardening every day I was spending so much time in my community garden. And the garden itself was calling so much attention from people in the community, people will come up all the time asking questions about where the food was going, can they purchase? And, you know, there was so much interest, I started getting the idea, you know, how can I help some of these people? How can I get more food to these people they clearly wanted, they clearly are even willing to pay for it if it was just available to them. And so that was kind of a light bulb in my mind to begin the big green project. My first kind of intentional act to birth the project itself wasn't August, actually, on my birthday, I just made about 2025 or so lunches, they were vegetarian lunches with some essential items like a mask, water, and napkins. And I just went around drove around to some places where I know, there are homeless people stay in Wilmington, and I just gave those things out. And that was kind of an intentional moment for me to birth to breathe life into the big green project, you know, an act of service that had a deliberate intention behind it.
Wow, that's really cool. I love that idea of a deliberate intention, rather than you know, accidentally doing something good, just making a really conscious choice to actually make a difference.
Exactly, exactly. And it was that it was a very conscious and mindful choice. You know, I see so much unfortunate things around me. And I don't have a ton of money, or a ton of resources. But I have enough that I can help. You know, I can do a small part. And I only feel right doing that small part. You know, I feel like Why not? I think if everyone did a small part just did what they can using what they have, we can make so much have an impact, you know, together and helping each other. So I just want to do my part. Really?
Yeah, that's so awesome. I think you're right. Yeah, it's not gonna happen unless we do it intentionally. 100%. I saw a tweet of yours once you were talking about what the monstera leaf logo represents to you. And I just thought that was really interesting. Would you mind speaking on that for a second?
Absolutely. So I am and you know, Daniel, I'm sure from our connections on Twitter. I am a plant mama to the fullest. So I adore my houseplants and my favorite of them all is the monster the Lucio. So, to me the monstera leaf, it represents so much more than just that iconic house plant. It represents a symbiotic relationship for me, you know, so whether someone's a master gardener, or you know, killed every plant they've ever tried to grow or having grown anything at all, I feel the monstera leaf is a plant that brings people together, it's a plant that incurs so much interest around gardening and growing and planting. Even for people who don't readily know any facts about it. It has an iconic features. And so it's a statement leaf, and I feel that it just represents learning about it, taking care about it and seeing the unfurl is really just an iconic moment. It's sort of like Tina Turner's like fringe dress or like Michael Jackson, you know, you know, once Michael Jackson's glove comes out, you know, you've been exposed to magical moment, and you know, only magic is sort of follow, and I feel similarly about the monstera leaf, you know, taking care of one seeing it grow and develop, I feel like, it's taught me so much. And I've connected with so many people in the gardening community over the monstera deliciosa. Plant alone, you know, so it really is, it's an iconic plant to me, and it really represents a symbiotic relationship between myself and the rest of the gardening community.
I think you said in the tweet, you know, you around good plant people, when you see that monster leaf,
exactly, you are in the company of green thumb, their leaf is around, you know, you you're your tribe, you know, exactly and, and I've always encountered that, you know, where, where the monstera leaf goes, green thumbs are sure to follow and vice versa. So, you know, it's kind of like a, like you said, it's that it's that logo to the community for me, and so readily recognizable, you know, throughout whether the most experienced gardeners or least experienced,
and you do a little bit of work as well in gardens around hospitals. So you, I've seen a few of your tweets talking about, you know, the importance of organic food. And one of the criticisms that I've heard about the health system, at least over here is that generally, there could be more emphasis placed on nutrition, the hospital you're working with actually already recognizes this, because they're letting you or paying you to grow some organic food for fresh food for their patients. Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Absolutely. I believe this is really important work. So I work for St. Francis hospital, they have a weekly produce program where they distribute produce grown directly on their grounds, to their patients who suffer from conditions like diabetes, high cholesterol, basically conditions that can be affected by nutrition, or lack thereof of good nutrition. And so I'm the caretaker for their garden there. It is an amazing program. And from what I've found, so far, it's the only one of its kind in the state of Delaware. And I think a lot more medical institutions can learn from the the blueprint of this program, the rumors that you've heard, there are definitely you know, true. Unfortunately, you know, depending on your zip code, the economics or the politics could very well be prioritized before public health and safety, which is unfortunate, especially with the medical industry in America having such a telling history of disregard and kind of experimentation regarding poor communities, people of color and black men and women, we can look at the Tuskegee experiments, or the father of gynecology and his methods to his findings. So, you know, along with kind of that lack of focus in the general theme of kind of hospitals, there is kind of an underlying theme amongst people, even in 2020, where it's just kind of like a don't trust to the hospital, vibe in a community. So what what I love about what St Francis is doing is that they're really bridging that gap and connecting back into their patients and increasing that access and making sure that these people who are directly affected by nutrition, making sure that they get what they need, instead of just writing them off on prescriptions, you know, and things like that. So they've taken a big progressive step to counter this perception by introducing the produce program and recognize an opportunity, you know, to provide the fresh food directly to their patients, and it's amazing.
I think it's amazing for sure. Can you tell me a little bit about how it started, like, did they approach you or did you approach them and how is it being received?
So it's actually really interesting. They have had This program for two years now, I just came on in 2020. So this is my first year with the produce program with the hospital, the previous woman who was in charge position was actually furloughed. So then they needed to fill the position in a good friend of mine, who's also currently a resident at the hospital, he knows of my work, you know, all of my Earth work and my passion and love for gardening. So he referred me and, you know, one of their coordinators reached out, you gave them my information, they reached out to me, and we met, I believe, the following day, after they reached out to me, we met the following day over at the garden. And we discussed, we probably talked for about an hour, 45 minutes, and you know, and I was ready to come to work the next day, you know, once, once they explain the program to me, and let me know what they needed, which was just a caretaker for their bed, you know, for the garden beds, I was all in, I was super happy to be involved in. And I was super appreciative that my friend referred me, you know, because he knows how passionate I am. So it was very, very nice to do that. So that's how I, myself became involved with the program. And it's been running now for two years. So it's going very well, it's received, in some mentioned days, your question of how the program is received, from patients is received with so so much excitement, they're very happy about it, they're actually very surprised about it, because it's not something that's normal to them is very foreign that a hospital would offer them fresh produce and things. But once they find out, there's so willingness sign up, and they're very, they have a lot of inquiry, as far as how long the seasons running, how often can they get this produce what variety of produce. So we get a lot of inquiry from the patients. Surprisingly enough, though. So I speak to doctors about the program as their thoughts, many of them are ecstatic. They're excited, they've got that they have alternate options to help besides the prescription pad. However, I've met a lot of doctors who were surprised that the program even exists, because they were never told of it from their bosses. It's interesting, because the doctors are the ones who sign the patients up for the program. So it's really ironic that all of them haven't been informed that it's there. So currently, what I'm working on majorly, in the program is just growing awareness of the program itself within the actual hospital, between the doctors, between the physicians, the nurses and secretaries, because they are all key pieces. And without them the program just doesn't work. So yeah, just raising awareness in the doctor's is, you know, where I'm working at most now.
That's very interesting. So that's funny, you would have thought that'd be common knowledge, you know, organic, fresh food is gonna be healthy for him gonna build a healthy body, big surprise.
Right? Right, you would think that all of the doctors would be armed with this information at the ready to give to all of their patients, but it's probably about 5050. You know, 50% of the physicians and doctors that I talked to, who know about it, they're excited. They refer their patients, but that other 50% they have no clue. They're like the produce program.
Yeah, Yes, we do.
That's funny, because you've actually got the garden on site, as well. Is that right? Or is the garden separate?
So is it's a block away from the hospital. So it is less than, you know, less than 30 seconds away from the hospital. And it's a very large space, it is still a community space as well. So it is in a community garden, which has over 30 something beds, but the garden I mean, the hospital currently occupies just one bed. This season is
awesome. So tell me a little bit about some of the other spaces that you like to manage or that you are managing.
Absolutely. So along with the caretaking for the hospital. I am the facilitator of the downtown community garden. It is a community garden we have downtown Wilmington. And it is just a lovely community space there great green thumbs involved in there. We have recently partnered with a organization called Eagle plastics of Delaware, who makes raised garden beds out of all recycled materials. So we have recently got an order of 22 new brand new garden beds that are made out of completely recycled material 100% recycled plastic and they are they look beautiful. They are incredibly sturdy. So right now we are installing them at the community garden getting ready for overwintering. I am also the farm manager for an urban farm called conscious connections Incorporated. It is in the north side of Wilmington, Delaware. It is a more in an underserved community more than an urban neighborhood, we work under just an acre of land, we have three sites where we grow a variety of greens, we have a 20 bed or garden, as well as two hoop houses where we do all year round pepper production, because we do make products like hot sauce, and jams, seasonal jams and things like that, at conscious connections, the urban farm our mantra is education plus experience plus exposure equals economic opportunity. So we really focus on community engagement and youth education. And we have a couple of us employees that work on the farm Monday through Friday, we work with their school schedule, so that they're able to maintain in school, they have to keep a certain grade average, as well and maintain their hours throughout the season. But it is a beautiful space, especially to be where it is at bay kind of looks like a garden of Eden, you know, in, in a concrete jungle, a beautiful space, right in the neighborhood I was born in so I love being there. Mr. Matthew is the person, Matthew Williams, he is the CEO and executive director of conscious connections, he has been working on the urban farm since 2010. all by himself. So he's done a great job building this space. And now I am on to just help them expand and grow.
Yeah, so that's a pretty cool example of how people living in urban environments can actually get access to you know, gardening and stuff like that, which is so good for your mental health, as both of us know, tell us a little bit about how important that is, for people in concrete jungles to have access to some of that plant activity.
It's so important for me, you know, as a young woman born here, Wilmington, Delaware, in the US, it's a small city, you know, we're not very big at all. But you kind of have to go outside of your way, I think the closest farmers market to me is at least 15 miles, you know, so some things you really have to go out of your way for. And I think the best way for people in urban environments to increase their access to locally for to fresh grown food other than growing your own is really to support one another. If there is one person who has, you know, a small lawn garden, those people should be supported a barter with your neighbors, you know, I may grow cucumbers. And you may have, I don't know, let's say you make your own hot sauce, you know, we can trade cucumbers for hot sauce, or we can barter, you know, greens for vinegar, I don't know, but I'm just I'm using these random things as an ends as an example, for when you have less you have to work with what you do have in the best way sometimes to compensate for things that you don't have are to barter with the people around you, you may have something that your neighbor needs, and your neighbor may have something that you need. So work with each other. And having that sense of community having each other to lean on, will help in those most trying times. You know, I'm from a neighborhood, where that's how we grew up, you know, all of my neighbors when I was younger, if the children were playing outside, all of the neighbors were looking out for all of the children, you know, you couldn't get one thing past one of our neighbors because they were going to let our parents know, you know. And so you truly did have to you had to look out for one another because you know that others are looking out for you. So you make better choices also when you're connected to your community support each other. So I think it's really important that people in urban environments work together and support each other whether it's comes to gardening, you know, helping along with, you know, each other's children, or different things like that even local policy.
And like you mentioned that you're in Delaware. A lot of Aussies may not know this, but in the US you guys sort of divide yourself into different growing zones based on where you're located and how much sunlight you're sort of getting, you know how close you are to the equator. What growing zone Are you in? And can you please tell us a little bit about what that means?
Yeah, so wait, so you guys do not use hardiness zones in Australia at all?
I think that someone would drone up based on you guys as one but it's not something that we talk about all the time. I don't hear a lot of Ozzy's talking about the growing zones.
Wow. That's so interesting.
So when I found out I was really interested, he
bet like well, what what are these? What's this chart over the country over their country? Right? Yes, so um, yeah, so I'm in Delaware. I'm on the east coast in the States. So I am in hardiness zone seven A, this means that once September hits so around this time of year Our temperatures dropped swiftly in the days become a lot shorter. In August, the suns could sit around 9pm. But you know, once mid September hits, sunset is at six in the evenings are much, much cooler along with the mornings. So our life cycles of our summer crops like our tomatoes, melons, those really sun loving crops, they're all reaching their end around this time of year. Unless growing indoors, it's really difficult to extend the growing season outdoors. Because of the zone we are in. We have shorter daylight hours, so less sunlight and cooler temperatures in our in my zone in particular. But it isn't a bad zone to be in actually, because a large variety of crops still really thrives. Well, it just requires a bit more tact and timing regarding the plantings because unlike warmer zones, we've got to account for the date of first frost in the hours of sunlight that a crop needs wants to germinated compared to the daylight will actually get. So more planning a little less spontaneous gardening can be a result. Unless you just really like surprises, then you still just go for it. But but it's not it's not a very difficult thing to work with as a gardener. It is basically a guideline, you know, just to kind of help with your planting your seasonal plantings really,
I'm not sure if it's quite as easy. Over here, we have some very different environments. I mean, that's just the climate, we're not even taking into account soil or anything.
It's just the climate, it does not account for soil. It doesn't even really account for environmental factors like you know, SOG or radiation or oxygen content or things like that. It really is accounts for the data first frost for the amount of sunlight hours and temperature.
Alright, let's switch it up a little bit. Now let's talk about weeds. How do you like to deal with weeds? Do you have a least favorite Wade? Do you have favorite weeds?
You know, I really love to talk about we, you they they give this kind of air of annoyance.
I like to trigger my followers on Twitter with weed sometimes
very triggering, they are right. Get up Get under people's skin just like they get up under everything else. But, um, I really have changed my perception on weeds. In the, in my more recent years as a gardener, I can say you know, previously thinking of weeds, you know, as something that's inconvenient. You know, it's a never ending story, you know, plants that I once looked at as something somebody plucked her pool now I really see as it's the language of the earth that I'm learning. You know, I've spoken with herbalist who they will say that what grows in an area it grows there for a reason. So if any weed is growing up growing in the soil in a particular environment, it's rolling there with a purpose. So I really have taken that in and applied it to my to my growing and I don't look at leads as something that I'm constantly needing to fight against any more. Many of the plants that we do consider weeds have medicinal and culinary value anyway. So I've really just changed my stance from constantly fighting them to respecting and working with my favorites. I do have some favorites. burdock root in chickweed, which grow like crazy in my area are two of my favorites, they make a really great tea. Check we all also helps for female health or female reproductive system health chickweed is a really good herb for that. So I do like burdock root and chikhli a lot have recently begun adding personally to my salads, which was suggested to me by some awesome green thumbs on Twitter. So thank you to y'all because I have tons of personally that girls around me as well. So I recently began forcing that and adding it to some salads of mine has been really good.
I have that really nice salad taste.
They do they do and it's a really nice crunch. I like the I like the current
Huh, same chickweed really mellow I love chikwe is just so easy to eat. It's almost like more hydrating than water in a way.
It's so hydrating, right? I found that Oh, oh and it is very mild, you know, like and I love that it can be paired in more than likely I'm comboing it in a tea blend with some other things. So it's really, I can kind of add it in some different custom blends. I do have a couple of the maintenance though, you know, even though I don't want to fight the weeds all the time. They do have to be maintained in some areas. And mulching has to be probably my favorite way to keep weeds to a minimum because it improves While keeping them to a minimum, it improves the soils water retention. And I think it's just less violent than ripping at the earth and constantly, you know, upgrading in tilling over the soil. And it looks really nice too. So mulching is probably my favorite my favorite method to to take care of weeds.
Yep, good advice. I think that's some pretty good advice. That's certainly what I would say as well. The mulch is just going to help smother out those weeds. That's what happens in nature, too. You know, underneath a big pine tree, we'll see all the pine needles underneath the tree and nothing's growing into there because that's just a natural layer of mulch.
Exactly. And as long as the sun's blocked from reaching those reaching those weeds, leaves, they can't photosynthesize, so they can't grow anymore. So I think mulching is just it saves you a little bit of hard labor to you know, when you're on your hands and knees. were pulling up pulling out the weeds, it can be a little physically taxing,
is one of the most hated jobs by gardeners for a reason. I think it is hard work pulling them out by hand. And it also you said the mulch so that's actually going to help improve the soil quality as well. It's going to stop that water sort of evaporating. What are some of the other ways you improve soil health and how do you fertilize your plants.
So I use a organic fertilizer. For my house plants I use an organic fertilizer that I bought at my local garden center. I'm not sure of the brand right now I want to say it's expert gardener actually expert gardener is the brand. It's an organic powder fertilizer that just sprinkle in the base for our other urban farm and the community gardens. compost. compost is our fertilizer compost is our is our Herald Angel. You know our Herald Angel, we love our compost. And compost is how we you know how we amend how we fertilize our soil, how we add nutrients, you know, compost, definitely number one for me for sure. And it's all organic. It's a way for me to reduce waste, which I really do not like to waste food or add too much waste to my garbage. So I love being able to compost my food scraps and leaf litter and grass clippings and just have that organic matter just break back down into the soil and feed the you know feed the plants over time. Yep,
it's called black gold for a reason, isn't it?
Isn't it? Exactly, you know, some gardeners? They'll say you know, the soil. The most important thing is the soil, you know, the soil is everything.
Yeah, feed the soil and the soil feeds the plants is the saying that?
So, plant? Yes. I love it. Exactly. So it's important.
It is very important. What changes have you noticed, if any in your community in regards to gardening and farming recently?
Some changes that have nothing? Good question. That's a good question. Overall, I've noticed more just general interest in gardening in general, you know, from from the public, but I've noticed people getting really creative. I've seen people grow things in cardboard boxes. I've seen people reuse an old dresser drawer and grow things. You know, myself. I've previously grown potatoes in a laundry basket. I love how creative people are getting with growing their own food. You know, this also speaks to earlier when you mentioned when you asked about people in an urban environment, what can they do to increase their access and to grow their own food. And getting creative really is empowering, you know, container gardening, there's so many things that can be grown in containers. And I've seen people grow avocado trees, or even grow, you know, melons, on their balcony in containers, tomato plants, on their balconies in containers. You know, people growing produce at home in containers, so it doesn't have to stop you because you don't have a lawn or because you don't have a yard. You know, you can grow your own food just as well as the next gardener. And you can get as creative and have as much fun as you want. So I love the I love the creativity that I've been seeing from people and it's inspiring, you know, you get new ideas. It's like, Oh, I want to I want to try that. Next I saw you know, even different propagation seeing people all the different containers and bottles people propagate plants in it's like, oh, I want to try that. Yeah, so I love the creativity.
Same I've recently saw a video from Epic gardening one of my favorite sort of gardening online resources and he was talking about to propagate pathos. He cut him off to one note to still have one leaf, basically no stem at all, and he put them in the water in them. I never realized that that's the best way to propagate them. So I've been wasting my time trying to do you know, multiple nodes at a time when I could be having so many more plants just by doing it a little bit differently. What are some of your favorite lessons that gardening toward you, and how has your relationship with food been affected by your gardening experience?
My relationship with food has definitely changed my relationship with food has improved a lot. Since gardening, I've been gardening myself for about seven years now. And before then I, you know, was in school for environmental science after school, I went to Wesley college after school, I, you know, came home and I just worked, I worked, I didn't really spend a lot of time having fun, I didn't really spend too much time taking very much care of myself in terms of wellness. You know, I wasn't always mindful of the things that I did eat, or I didn't always eat with intention. But gardening has really, really taught me that one of the last few powers that I that I feel we have as human beings are our choices of what we eat, you know, what we choose to put into our mouths. And so, gardening is really just reassured and empowered me, you know, that I it's on me, my health really is on me in my choices will directly affect my health in the long term. So I can let desire and pleasure and just kind of lack of mindfulness when now I can let that lead my life now. And I can suffer the consequences of it later. Or I can be more mindful of what I'm putting into my body. Especially when I'm growing things that are of great quality is of great value to my body, I want to choose the things that I grow now basically, whereas before I didn't choose the things, I didn't choose those things because I wasn't around them, I wasn't growing them. Now I choose the things that I grow. So I eat a lot fresher, eat a lot more fruits and veggies and large, more much larger varieties use me rambling, but um, it's definitely improved my relationship with food in a way where I choose what I grow now. So you just feel a lot more connected very much. So that's exactly what it is being connected back into the soil back into the produce, taking care of it, when you see something when you planted a seed and you saw that seed grow, you know, from under the soil to a beautiful lush head of spinach, or you know, let head of lettuce or some spinach, you want to enjoy it, that makes me feel good, you know that I took care of his play into health. And now here it is ready to pour back into me, you know, it goes back into that symbiotic relationship. And I'm always thinking of that I'm always considering that relationship, you know, wanting to give as well as I don't want to take take take take I want to give this so it's definitely made me more more conscious of my the effects that my choices have on my environment on the soil, and even the insects, you know, the the pest and the creatures that get into our gardens. You know, I know, we all can have a fuss about squirrels or deer and or cats or those things, you know, we consider pests, but they all play a part. You know, they all play a part a role in our gardens too. And I've come to even respect even respect the cats that you know, come around and they, they get into some stuff, they leave their droppings. But you know, one thing about animals, they don't take any more than they need, you know, when the cats do come get into the garden, if they do eat on some things, they eat what they need. And then they move on, you know, they're not destroying everything. So I'm not at a loss, you know?
Yeah, that's great. So
just working with working with.
Yeah,
yeah, working with nature.
Exactly, exactly. And that's what my relationship toward food in the environment overall has really grown to more of a working with relationship. instead of always, always fighting against.
So shoes on or shoes off in the garden.
Yeah. Without a doubt, absolutely. shoes off. shoes have to sit to stay connected. And to stay grounded. Get that dirt in between your toes, wiggle your toes onto the soil to understand if maybe you're walking on malts and sticks, it might be a little hard, maybe get across the harder big sticks. But when you get to some soft grass or just some barren soil shoes off and shoes off,
shoes off 100% I mean the shoes off camp when you can I mean, for my day job I garden for commercial and domestic customers. I mean, look, you really have to keep the safety boots on on a job like that, especially when you're doing push mowing or hedging or something. But yeah, every time I cannot try and take them off, you know, especially if I'm just gardening for friend like, you know, if I if I'm on a site where it's appropriate to take my shoes off, that's when I'll take them But I don't want to give my listeners the idea that you can just take your shoes off on a worksite. Because that's not really usually going to be okay. Is there something else that you're passionate about? Like, what's the last thing you want to leave our listeners with and that you just really feel like they should know about?
I'd like the listeners to know that. It's okay to grow on your own terms. I think it's really beautiful that so many people are finding peace, in this tumultuous time of 2020s, unpredictability. And through the covid, 19 pandemic, through Gardening in the gardening and farming community, it's important to support one another here, and there really is amazing energy amongst people who grow. Something that I am really passionate about is really uplifting fellow green dumbs. You know, there's so much space in this world, for all of us, there's no need to compete for who's you know, whose garden is greener. I really feel that comparison is the biggest way to defeat yourself. And everybody should really grow on their own term,
grow what you can with what you have, and don't compare yourself to others. Because you're doing something amazing with what you can you know, somebody else is doing something amazing with what they can. But we're both needed, we're both essential, and we both can make an important impact. So yeah, really go people just under just always grow on their own terms. I'm extremely passionate about the ocean, that's something that I can share personally, just it's mystery, and beauty with the power of water is really inspiring to me. And the damage done in the ocean saddens me in a deep way. So we're all being affected by waste and climate change, you know, from the island of plastic off of the California coast to the damage done to the Great Barrier Reef, you know, in your region, we've caused a lot of pain to the mother of us all the earth. And I'm grateful to be a child of this planet. And I stand for peace, autonomy, sustainability, and eco friendly cultivation of this beautiful land. You know, I only asked that, you know, everyone helps me plant a seed, everyone does their part, help me plant a seed.
I love that. So I could have grown your own terms. Speaking about marine ecology, you should definitely check out the episode that I've recorded with Andrew Christie. He's president of marine care at point cook here in in Victoria. And that was a really interesting episode, he sort of talks about some of the damage done. I also just wanted to mention that there actually is an inquiry into some of the claims made about the Great Barrier Reef damage. So yeah, I definitely do recommend our listeners to do a little bit of research. I'll have a couple of links in the show notes. Awesome. Thanks so much for coming on tonight. That was just such a great episode. I hope our listeners have learned a lot about urban gardening living in an urban environment. So it's all really really good stuff.
Thank you so much for having me, Daniel. This was awesome. I've totally enjoyed talking to you this morning on your tongue even in my mind, but it's nice to have this discord you know, we connect on Twitter and you see some you know, you see some resonating rambling, a little green thumb, but it's nice to be able to. It's nice to have a grill discourse, you know, I really get to kind of dig into these topics. So this was this was super cool, and I'm super honored to have been a part Thank you. Again.
It's appropriate that we should give a little bit of a disclaimer about edible weeds here. Unless you've had some pretty decent training and how to identify edible weeds. You might just want to stick to picking up fruit and veg from your local grocers. There are some non edible look like that there. For example, the Scarlet Primrose, which looks a whole lot like chickweed until it flowers. As always check the show notes for some interesting links, including both the big green and the plants grow here Twitter pages. Let us know your philosophy when it comes to wearing shoes in the garden.

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